** Bjork's World **
Her favorite places, her favourite things: Bjork
takes us inside her private world.
Interview by Sylvia Patterson.
"I respect all tastes", declares Bjork,
striding into a shop, swishing noisily
in her billowing, bright orange synthetic
trousers, the kind you normally see on blokes
mending the road in the middle of a typhoon.
"but, I'm sorry, give me what shines..."
We've lost her. Bjork isn't tall, and right
now she's buried under 10 thousand million
metres of fluorescent Indian silk - saris,
wraps, lenghts of material, holding them up to
the light, letting threads of gold and green and
pink and silver shine across the face of pop's
most enthusiastic magpie. She buys thee sari
wraps, L20 each. At home she already has
"thousands. They're so feminine in a very
powerful way, just full of pleasure, it's...
enjoy life to the max." Then it's the shoe
shop: "Look! Shoes with piano keyboards on
them! And Cinderella shoes... oooh, look at
these gold ones, and those..." And then it's
the video shop, with well-informed queries
culminating in the purchase of wailing
Indian legends called Nusrat Fati Ali Khan
and Latake Geet. Chuffed, she bundles them
in her teddy-bear back-pack, buys a Magnum
ice-cream and strides purposefully, once
more, because she always strides, along the
High Street, lolly aloft, towards the "wicked"
Indian temple. There, she'll refuse to pray
because that would be "sacreligious.
Hundreds and hundreds of years of culture
and people think they can be part of it by
spending five minutes on their knees.
That's _rude_." So she has a good laugh in-
stead at a passing van emblazoned with the
sign HIMALAYAN CARPETS. "That," notes
Bjork (a self confessed lover of bad jokes),
"would be a lot of work. Heheheh."
We're pottering around Southall, south
west London, near Heathrow. It's Bjork's
favourite place (see below) in the whole of
London, the township devoted to the capital's
Indian community where you can purchase
things which shine in emporia called "Jolly
Fabrics" and "Modern Footwear for Comfort
and Value." Carnaby Street can go whistle.
"I think I used to go here to sympathise with
the immigrants," she laughs. "It almost makes it
comical how you don't fit in, ifyou don't fit in.
You see these gorgeous Indian women wearing
trainers and track-suits over their saris and the
men are all in the pub. I completely felt like I
didn't fit in the first two years. I think what
changed was I got the sense ofhurnour . . . "
Bjork's lived full-time in London for three
years now, three years of elevation from one-
time Icelandic punk obscurity to charismatic
creator of sublime, sensual pop music securing
her place as global pop-icon. These days she co-
pens tunes for Madonna (Bedtime Stories) and
drinks with Michael Stipe and Anton Corbijn.
You get the impression, however, that she'd be
just as happy in the pub in Southall with the
Indian grandads talking about cricket.
It's been the year of the Post LP, a year when
Bjork's done more living and less promoting than
the saturation whirl of the Debut album; the one
which gave her the power to decide, this time
around, just what press she does and doesn't do.
"I've just said `no fucking way' up until now "
she grins. "I don't know what's happened, maybe
I'm becoming English or something terrible like
that. I couldn't have gone on some TV show
in Korea or whatever; I wouldn't have known
what the fuck was going on. So now I'm doing
things for a laugh. Like this. And I might go on
the Punch and Judy show, that's quite funny. Er, I
mean, Richard and Judy! I'll tiy anything once."
Bjork was 16 when she first landed in London
with her "pop punk group" Tappi Tikarass. It
was the first time she'd ever been in a city, and she
stayed in Kilburn at the home of her hippy mum's
mate, a psychotherapist. "We were these four
punks from Iceland," reflects Bjork, "and I think
after two days we did her head in. I walked out of
the house and was walking and walking and
walking, tiying to walk out of the city because
you do that in Iceland; you say `I'm just going
out for a walk,' and walk straight out of the city
because you're always by the ocean. I ended up
finding some dreadful cemetery, very depress-
ing. I kept washing, like, three times a day,
because I could feel the dirt on my skin. I was
touching bricks and it felt like it was all grease. It
sounds really funny now, but believe me it
wasn't funny at the time: I completely couldn't
handle it. This whole city felt so grey with noth-
ing interesting. We went to the studio to record
every day and I ended up crying myself to sleep
every night for two weeks."
Funny what you get used to. Eveiy six months
from then on, Bjork returned to London with
whatever band she was in at the time. Einar from
the Sugarcubes moved to London and she "slow-
ly got to know it," but today she has a confession.
"I'm sorry!" she says, "but I'd be lying if I said
I liked London. I moved here because I had to do
the record: it was like a mission. I thought I'd
come here, do the record and then go home. And
it all took off and took me totally by surprise."
When she first moved, she, deliberately caused
trouble. "I hated it," she says, "and was playing
difficult to get and driving my boyfriend mad
saying `Why are the taps on the bath-tub that
shape?' Terrible. I lived near Primrose Hill and
that was the only way I could bear it, if I had a
view. There's something really nice about being
able to see over somewhere, like putting your
head out of the water once in a while: `So, that's
where I am, OK,' and then going back to where
you were. Now, and it's a cliche and this is
gonna sound really pukey, you're gonna be sick
now, but there's so many people here I truly
love; people who've gone out of their way to be
there for me in the unbelievable pressures.That's
what makes you feel good in the city. But I can
see that the beauty ofthe city is that people go so
much out of their way to survive here and have a
good time. You try a lot harder and that sort of
energy you don't get any other place."
Bjork thinks it's "weird" what's happened to
her since the move, even though she's been a
pop star for over 10 years. She's still not used to
the "schizophrenic behaviour" it brings out in
the sturdiest ofsouls.
"When I was a teenager in Iceland," she
wists, "I had the ocean and the scenery and the
little cafe's and fishermen and then I go to...
Manhattan and never sleep and become this
totally extrovert character, then I go home and
don't talk for a month. It can still be like that."
It's going to get even more like that next year
because she's buying her very own island.
"I am!" she shouts, belting me in the chest
with excitement, "in Tunisia! You know you
can buy an island for 50 grand? I'm going to buy
one, with a house and everything - cheaper than
a flat in London," she points out, belting me
again. "I'm doing that next summer, that'll be
my base. I started thinking about it two years ago
and when I decide something, that's it: that's a
decision [reconsiders] . Actually, I decided when
I was a kid I was going to move to an island - the
ocean makes my head function better. I'll be
going there on my own but you know what it's
going to be like, don't you? A fucking health
farm for all my friends. They'll come to me just
before they have that nervous breakdown. I'm
thinking about this one tiny island with one
gorgeous building, a Greek chateau building
from the 13th century. That one's 40 grand.
I don't know whether I want one with a little
village with shops and people to talk to or one
with nothing at all. Then I'll come to London
for little trips and go completely bonkers and
then go back home "
Her son, Sindri, nine, will go there with her. Not
that much about his mother could surprise him:
he was on tour with her from the age o Eone to six.
"He's cool about it," says Bjork, "he's been di-
gesting the idea for two years already."
She's not worried by his supposed Tarzan-
BjoRK SCRATCHINGS: Iceland's best-known export
eschews fabulous Harvey Nichols in favour of
the fabulous, er, Southall market, south London.
esque education option on a desert island, either.
"He gets most of his education through the
Internet anyway," she muses. "He's a bit of a
professor, he reads encyclopedias while other
people play football [giggles] . He's wicked - I'll
be chatting with my friends and talking about
different countries, say Madagascar and I'll say
`What's the religion in Madagascar again,
Sindri?' and he'll know it right off. He knows more
about Bosnia than I do." What will he do with
all those brains? "A teacher, a poet, a li-
brarian, so many things," ponders Bjork. "School
was always just for social reasons, to be able to get
long with people you don't actually like. You
get along with your friends because you hand-
pick thern, but you need to get along with every-
body else."
Logically put. Bjork likes sex.
Sometimes, to rid herself of sexual frustration, she
does karate, swims and masturbates every day.
And sometimes she has a boyfriend. Sexually, she
calls herself "outrageous-ly greedy." She throws herself
into love, too. You can hear it on It's So Quiet, her
stunning new single, a cover of the old Betty Hutton
big-band classic.
"People think my version is over the top " she
surmises, "but hers makes mine the ambient
version! I guess the song describes pretty well
what being in love feels like because it's in and
out, innit?"
Certainly is, mate.
"Wahahah! "
So, what about right now - is it in, or is it out?
"Nah!" splutters Bjork. "That's a secret! It's
one of those things that is so delicate. I could
come out with a bag of lies and tell you I sleep
with three transvestites every single night. But
I'm not going to lie I'm not going to say any-
thing heheh. Everything's. . . OK."
Bjork, incidentally, is a double Scorpio,
which, if you're interested, means a
formidable, possibly troublesome, double
dose of sex and secrecy and passion. So shake
in your shoes, big boys. . . Like all the world's
passionate people, Bjork lives in the sensory
world; a world where even the bin-man's up-
ward swing could be construed as an act of
eroticism. Despite her bargain-hunting
Southall know-how, she will allow herself ex-
pensive whims. Oysters and champagne, for
example. In Harrods Oyster Bar, in the corner
next to the pheasants. She knows there's a link
between sexual and food appetites, that you
can tell things about people sexually by the
way they eat.
"Oh God, yeah, definitely," she says. "And it's
that way with all things. Definitely. By
the way you talk, how you move, what words you
pick, how you touch things, what colours you like,
what material you wear, everything. I've al-
ways preferred looking at the word erotic in
that way; it's not about literally shagging.
You can drive a car in an erotic way. You can
quite simply lead your life in a turned-on way.
MUM'S GONE TO ICELAND: Bjork adapts to all things
British - starting, of eourse, with bhangra.
And if you lead your life in a turned-on way it
doesn't really matter whether you eat three oysters
a day or not - mere details." Bjock eats raw meat.
Whole raw steaks, for God's sake. "I really like
raw things," she states. "I prefer raw meat to
cooked meat. I don't like eating a lot of it but I
could eat a raw steak. And have done. I think
it's more honest because that's what it really is.
Most food is sensual, I think."
Right now, she's making sensual cheese,
bread and crackers in the kitchen of her west
London home even though she'd rather have
sensual lemon squid from the Thai down the
road. She's "starving," though, so she must eat
now. Her brother's here (blond, skinhead,
handsome devil); so's Sindri (blondish, fine-
haired, handsome devil) and she's clattering
round the CD-littered kitchen wielding gold
and silver mugs full of tea to which the assem-
bled must "help yourselves!"
'I could come out with a bag of
lies and tell you I sleep with three transvestites every
single night But I'm not going to lie'
Bjork's house, naturally, is beautiful and
strange. Down a stone stainvay, through a
sunken garden affair strewn with bicycles
round the back and we're in the bottom floor of
an open-plan three-storey house which looks
like the inside ofa ship. Everything here screams
"traveller." Upstairs is the airy, ioor-boarded
living-room with a mile-high, white, beam-held
triangular-shaped ceiling. There's a collection
ofhand-crafted sailing ships. A sea chest crusted
all over in shells. A white triangular slatted chair
which looks like a yacht. Her TV is a projector
screen, the exact same ones you find on aero-
planes; the projector hanging from the ceiling
like a side-on traffic light, beaming the images
onto the adjacent wall. She notes, proudly, "It
costs the same as a normal TV. Wicked."
She puts a film on called Hard Boiled, featur-
ing her favourite actor, "Beat" Takeshi, and
coos and blithers about how "Robert De Niro
handsome" he is. On the answerphone there's a
message from Jarvis Cocker who's been on holi-
day in Iceland. Bjork, who hardly knew him at
the time, gave him the keys to her Iceland home
so he wouldn't have to stay in a character-free
hotel. Videos, CD, tapes, bottles, brightly-
coloured cardboard tubes with the usual essen-
tial rubbish spilling forth abound. Look up and
right and there's a balcony on high, beyond
which lie the beds of Bjork and Sindri. Look left
to the wall and there's a huge sculpture of what
looks like the inside of a shell - it's made from
concrete and flecks of blue glass.
"My friend in Iceland makes them," explains
Bjork. "It's modelled on a shell but, I'm sorry,
you can see it's actually a disco cunt."
She's right.
Bjork's brought us here to show us the things
she loves most in the world, the things and peo-
ple who've ignited her imagination and helped
form the core psyche of one of the most original
minds in pop culture today. And in one hour
she'll throw us all out because she has a far more
important mission to indulge, one she's been
thinking about all day: watching the new Steve
Coogan video which she nicked from her record
company offices earlier today.
"Comedy is like syphilis," she laughs, reading
from the back ofthe video. "You've either got it
or you haven't. Steve Coogan's got it.
Aharghargh!!"
At home with the video, pop-corn, Sindri
and her brother - she can't wait. Nights in like
this won't be happening too often for the rest
of the year; a stream of promotional duties will
see her heavily involved with the chores of
celebrity right up until Christmas, when she'll
return to Iceland, like she always does. She
can't wait for that, either.
"I love Christmas," she says. "The presents,
everything about it. Me and Sindri always get a
really tall Christmas tree and decorate it our-
selves. One time we had one four metres tall and
Sindri decorated it so all the baubles were at his
eye-level. I was `Do you mind if I put some
above?' and he was really hurt - `Mum! Don't
you like the way I've decorated?' `Yes but I'm
looking at green!' The snow's incredible there -
two, three metres high and you have to walk
through little tunnels with lighters and
scarves. You go into shops and they give you hot
chocolate with cognac in it - it's the best.
Everyone wears those overalls, really thick,
woolly inside, like the ones people wear to fix
the road. With bikinis inside. Hehheh.
And did you know that Iceland did the world
record in fireworks on New Year's? It's not like
in England where special people have to do it: in
Iceland everybody just goes to the shop, buys a
big plastic bag - I think the average is
60 quid - and that includes infants and old people.
You get them out and go `Psheu! Sheu. All the
houses are lit up and on New Year's they're all
open. You just go in any of them, there's no real
robberies or anything, the whole city is just
like `Yeaaaaaah!!"'
There's definitely something about Bjork
which makes a nonsense of the old Stone Roses
adage which insisted "It's not where you're
from, it's where you're at." Bjork couldn't come
from anywhere other than Iceland, the long-
independent island which invented the first-
ever democracy in history through sheer bloody-
minded Viking self preservation, romanticism
and passion for life.
"There was this survey done around the
world," says Bjork, munching on a hunk of
cheese, "where all the people were asked 100
standard questions and one of them was `What
do you believe in?' The people of Iceland stood
out because they all said `Myself.' That's very deep
in our character: in history we were the biggest
rebels on the planet. It's always said that the
reason we don't have an army is because it would
be impossible for everyone to walk in rhythm -
everyone would have to walk differently."
And thus Bjork's friends are much like her-
self: individuals, from Iraqis to Japanese to half
Jamaican Irishmen - and that's just her current
band. She's the sort with a house full of chums
at all times.
"I really like people staying," she says. "In
Iceland, people would just walk in to my house
and start cooking for everyone. That sounds
really hippy but I love it. Surviving like that
doesn't just happen, though - it's cultivated;
you have to trust people. So I'll always have a
house full with me cooking and looking after
everyone going `Have you eaten yet?'
"God!" she shrieks, flying upstairs to answer
the phone, trousers still billowing, stride still
purposeful, magical aura still intact, "you know
what that means, don't you? I'm going to be
such a granny. . . "
"They're a Finnish techno band - it's comical con-
cept techno. They've got one song which has one
bleep which goes at 110 bpm and another bleep
which goes at one beat per minute faster so it takes
two minutes to meet and another two minutes to
slowly go away from each other. That's amazing,
isn't it? When I go out in New York I usually seek
out new funky techno; here I go out to get com-
pletely plastered. Ninety-nine per cent of techno is
shit so I'm really picky but techno's probably my
biggest thing. My favourites from here are LFO:
they're wicked, brilliant, we did a tune together, a
B-side called l Go Home. They've got very hard-
core accents [Sheffield]. I call them up for chats
because I'm a bit of a boffin when I get going."
"He's a DJ from Chicago, very modern-thinking,
very simple keyboards and he'll just throw in the bin
all the techno that doesn't matter any more, keep
what's classic and add to it. He printed a vinyl
record with eight grooves on it instead of one that
goes in a spiral. Each groove has its own
loop and goes on for ever and you move to
the next one and it's just wicked, man -
that's total concept, I'm sorry. Usually when
you sample things you're dealing with
computer digits - it's not physical anymore. I
find that difficult. I like music to be physical whether
it's singing or the piano or keyboards. You can
scream or if it's quiet you'll go on tip-toe but with a
computer it's 'let's put in 0.995.' After a whole day of
that it's too much brain and not enough instinct. So
what he's done is keep it physical - the loops are for
scratching and that'sjust a revolution for me. I used
to DJ on Icelandic Radio. . . I'm the worst mixer in
the world so I'd just play my favourite songs, had my
own show. Oh, I've done it all!"
"This is where I put my little ideas - I've had it for
two years. It's digital and stereo, much better than
a Dictaphone. I speak into it all the time - you have
to do that in my job; you don't just sit down and the
idea comes, it comes anytime - there's no such
thing as social life, work, split into tidy categories,
it's all just life. The last idea was something I wrote
in Greece - wrote a lyric over a Metallica sample.
I get ideas all the time, very much. Half of it is I'm
just like that and half of it is I'm ordered to do it by
my brain, which can be annoying. I'm out dancing
for two hours and then suddenly think, 'I can use
that for a chorus!"'
"He's the only Icelander to win the Nobel Prize. In
1950 I think. He's just pure genius. He's written the
definitive Icelandic literature. He deals with a lot of
the problems the Icelandic people have with self-
image, and I think the image most Icelandic people
have of Iceland these days is through
him. He's an author big-time - he's
about humanity, love, philosophy,
and all his novels are completely dif-
ferent, like 50 of them and every one
is a different world, political subjects,
everything. He's The Author, the one
we all quote, like English people
would with Shakespeare."
"He's the Clint East- wood of Japan. He
played in billions of Japanese mafia films
and became a director as well. Wicked films,
and he's just so handsome; very sensitive and
macho at the same time, very cool and quite hard-
core. I think his films are very funny, like he's taking
the piss out of violence, his very own idisin . . . id-io-
syncratic sense of humour. I found out about him
two years ago, when they were showing his films at
the ICA. I think he's about 50 now. I fancy him."
"Another Japanese film about seven years old. I
think it's the funniest film ever. It's about sex and
noodles. I must have seen it a hundred times. It's a
collection of short stories, all intertwined, all about
sex and noodles, about how to make the perfect
noodle soup. And the perfect noodle soup is a
question of life and death - a bit like James Bond
finding the diamond, it's that dangerous. Do I know
how to make the perfect noodle soup? Oh no! God,
no, I'm not going into that business until I've got an-
other 10 years to think about it. That's a life's
quest."
"My favourite painter. He was a sailor, a pirate, who
sailed all over the world all his life, all over the
planet, and when he was 75 decided to quit and
paint everything he'd seen. This is an original, this
painting of a tiger in the Himalayas who bit off
people's heads. (Points to striking yellow painting on
kitchen wall featuring child-like mushroom trees and a
dead woman elevating on her own hair.) I think it's in-
credible, the colours and the way there's ghosts in there.
He saw these things."
"The composer of the century, German, a complete ge-
nius, still alive. His father died in World War II
and his mum was mentally ill and sent to an
asylum and put to sleep by the Nazis. Her dad went
mad when he found out and signed up to some sort of
suicide legion. So Stockhausen was left. He was one
of the the first men to discover electronic music in
1950. Look! [opens book at illustration of musical
complexities in graph form which looks like
the technological data for an Orbital gig] Like raves
today, except now it's kids' stuff! He
discovered blips and blops and the electronic sound,
complete innovator of the cen-tury, had 20 styles. He was
asked to write a string quartet for Cologne two years
ago and they wanted something safe, so he wrote a
piece for four helicopters so people had to go
on a hill and watch the four helicopters. He
would get a whole orchestra on stage and give
them a piece of paper which said that this is
what they had to play: 'Think nothing. Wait until
it's absolutely still within you. As soon as you start
to think, stop, and try to attain a state of non-think-
ing and continue to play.' And that would be the
piece of music he'd written. That gave rise to all
these arguments about who wrote the music, the
person who played it or him? Fabulous. I wish he
was my age. Look! Isn't he handsome? I fancy him."
"Another composer, dead now. He was obsessed
with bird noises. His wife was an opera singer and
he would go to Indonesia and write down what the
birds were singing [pretends to sing like a bird
which sounds like a squeaky door] and then he'd
come home and while his wife was cooking he'd
ask her to sing it and she'd go 'OK, dear!' [squeaky
door-noise ensues) These pieces are fucking the
most beautiful gorgeous thing ever. Complete
mystique - listen and you're entranced."
"I've decided not to talk about that now because
I don'twantanyone nicking mysmell offme."
"Genius cartoon - I've got the originals. The guy
who wrote it first sold the idea and it's all commer-
cial and not wicked and funny any more, they ruined
it, terrible. The originals, me and Sindri used
to watch them all the time. When I saw what they'd
done I felt like crying, it was like an old mate
of yours who's gone mad, like he wasn't there any
more, like, 'Hello?"'
AWAY WITH THE PIXIE: Bjork's favourite
things, from top; sensitive yet macho
lapanese Clint wannabe, "comical concept
techno" vinyl and Eggert Magnusson original.
[Huge glass-fronted map which is illuminated wher-
ever the sun shines on the Earth.) See? The middle
section is where the sun is in the world right now,
and the light moves as the sun moves. I saw that
advertised in an aeroplane magazine. British
Airways I think. . . It's that physical thing again, it's
alive. Wicked."
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